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Well Done, Gary Johnson.

30 September 2010 by

The Notts County fans weren’t too happy when I stated that their tactics at London Road were nothing short of a disgrace, something I still stand by. It appears that Gary Johnson also does too, he told the Peterborough Evening Telegraph today:

“Fans deserve to see a game played at a good tempo. That’s what we try and do and it can be very frustrating to watch teams who want to waste time and slow things down from the first minute.

“It is something we will never do, but it is something we will have to overcome. We must make sure we don’t get over-anxious, but we must become more cute to deal with it.

“I can also promise that we will never resort to any sort of theatrics, especially feigning injury. I’ve told my players that when they are down injured I want to see the ambulance, the fire brigade and the police called because I want to know that it’s genuine.”

This statement sums up everything I like about Gary Johnson; he wants to win a game fairly and it’s a refreshing change to some of the philosophies that other managers seem to have. It is clear to me that Johnson loves his job, from the way he celebrates, to his interaction with the fans and even joining in with some of the chants from his dug-out.

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Johnson’s usual match winning celebration.

In an age where added pressure is put upon managers to win matches, it is no secret that managerial sackings are becoming more and more common – just look at us last season – and that a series of poor results can cost someone their job, but should it mean that teams resort to these type of tactics?

We have seen MK Dons, Notts County and, to a lesser, extent Oldham come to London Road to try to grab a point in any way possible, whether that means breaking the rules or not. Worryingly though it doesn’t just seem to be the lower leagues that experience these problems. Look at the top level of English, and indeed European football, and a worrying trend of teams playing this way has occurred.

Football is becoming a sport where winning comes first and playing within the rules comes second for many clubs. It makes a great change that a manager will state that we won’t stoop so low, as a club, to try to cheat our way to victory. If we lose, we lose fairly and that is the sort of ethos, as a fan, I feel is important within a football club. Of course, we must learn to play against teams that use this sort of system, Johnson admits this, but as long as Peterborough United, as a football club, can rise above these under-hand tactics, I am certainly in support of it.

Please note there will not be a Carlisle match report as neither George nor I will be attending the game.


107 Comments »

  • Poshbird

    Great read as always!

    Shame their won’t be a Carlisle match report…maybe get in a guest writer for the day?!

    Keep up the good work

    KIP

  • simon platt

    Could you please remind of the sporting gesture which led to the Peterborough player being sent off? It didn’t look very fair to me!

  • Gary Johnson

    I do enjoy reading your blog , bit of sanity after 606. Keep them coming.

    Gary

  • John Verrall (author)

    Thanks both Posh fans.

    The tackle was terrible from McCann. I’ve admitted that. I’m not talking about fouling though, more about the “gamesmanship” that goes on in football.

  • WellyPie

    Gary Johnson in trying to deflect attention from the tactics who got so horribly wrong. Didn’t see it coming.

  • Me

    ‘come to London Road to try to grab a point in any way possible’

    62% of the possession, away from home, 3 goals scored, a 4th ruled out incorrectly for off side.

    We really did try and grab a point didnt we?

    As for not trying to cheat, what was McCann doing? And McClean with his head?

  • Bridg4d_Pie_

    I don’t know how a “So Called Experienced Manager” ie. Gary Johnson has the gaul to suggest that Notts County’s Alan Judge was “feigning injury” after a that disgusting tackle by Mcann. The man must be some kind of Masochist, & he thinks Notts County are doing this Great Game a Disfavour.

    I think he needs to take his players to task if their only tatic is to Unlawfully Mame.

  • crazyfists

    Posh 2 – 3 Notts. Looks like we were so boring we outscored you.

  • Ben

    Notts County were time-wasting and feigning injury from the word go according to Gary Johnson.

    Did you actually see the game or have you just formulated your thoughts from your hero Gary Johnson? The same Gary Johnson that ‘didn’t see’ the challenge on Judge, and said he’d have to look at the video. Well I’ve seen it live and on video, and Gary?…the video doesn’t look any prettier I can assure you. If he is such a modern day hero trying to rid the game of tyrany and cheats like you’re trying to say he is, then maybe a good start might be by admitting that the GBH about 5 metres in front of his dugout actually happened.

    Thanks must go to you and Gary Johnson for informing me of the error of my ways. I now know that scoring first half goals, dominating possession, playing attacking football and actually staying down when you get virtually hacked in half by the oppostion captain are all underhand tactics. How can I live with myself after holding all these beliefs for so long.

    Have a lovely season guys, here’s hoping you don’t lose any more games, I don’t think your sanity could take it. Food for thought hopefully…grapes maybe?

  • Betting_man

    “I can also promise that we will never resort to any sort of theatrics, especially feigning injury. I’ve told my players that when they are down injured I want to see the ambulance, the fire brigade and the police called because I want to know that it’s genuine.”

    Talk about playing to the peanut gallery! As WellyPie states, Johnson trying to deflect attention from the fact his side was outthought, and outfought. He really should be a politician.

    I cannot remember a worse case of sour grapes in 20+ years of supporting Notts. Some of the righteous blathering (If we lose, we lose fairly and that is the sort of ethos, as a fan, I feel is important within a football club) in this excuse for a blog is hilarious.

    How about Mackail-Smith’s willingness to hit the deck at the slightest touch, or the two potential ankle-breaking tackles (Gill, yellow, McCann, red) on Alan Judge? Or Boyd(?) appealing for Ravenhill to be booked a second time (clear on the replay)?

    I’d have been interested to see what would have happened to the multi-ball system should Posh have been leading, too…

    As for “coming to London Road to try to grab a point in any way possible” – by using pace, movement, and excellent finishing to score three goals (four, if you count the ‘offside’ goal), in 12 minutes, you mean?

    Serious question – are you aged about 14?

  • The beautiful game

    I was gutted when we went 2-0 and then 3-1 up at London Road earlier in the week. All our hopes for a draw were dashed. I blame the players for not wasting enough time in the first 30 minutes of the game. If they had stuck to the plan it would have been a frustrating 0-0 score at half time.

    You appear to struggle to realise that trying to counteract the threat of the opposition is a legitimate plan. Gary Johnson did the same – he assumed Notts would play 4-5-1 and set out his team to combat that, and had to adjust when he realised that we were being more attacking in our play. Of course recognising our 4-4-2 format would go a little against your argument of Notts looking to avoid a defeat.

    McCann’s challenge was a potential leg breaker. He deserved his red card. Ravenhill was booked for being headbutted, and for clearing the ball one ‘millisecond’ (to quote one of the Peterborough journo’s) after the ref blew his whistle. He did however deserve a card for pulling back the posh player soon after the foul on Judge.

    The whining and moaning and an obvious desire to pass the blame onto the Notts team and tactics, the ref and just about everyone not in Peterborough colours increasingly appears an attempt to deflect attention from the brawl and – more significantly – from the fact that Peterborough were out thought and out played on the night.

    Personally I have always had a liking for the Posh, since the 1981 cup defeat, but this view has become a little tarnished of late. I hope Peterborough can show a little more grace next time they are defeated.

  • Jason

    I can’t think off many teaming that try to play for a draw by scoring 3 goals!

    I don’t agree with tactics such as crowding the ref after an incident (even such a horrible foul one which led to the straight red) and I don’t know what caused the fracas at the end (which was probably six of one and half dozen of the other), but this does smack of sour grapes.

  • cmongeoffreypike

    We have seen MK Dons, Notts County and, to a lesser, extent Oldham come to London Road to try to grab a point

    three one to the good and you state a team have come to secure a draw?
    at this point your blog lost all credability.

    Mr Johnson is trying to deflect his shortcomings as a manager and you guys are quite literally sucking it up.
    let re visit this thread in March and see what the status is then.

    Mr Johnson i actually rated some points of your management persona….. that has know evaporated you are indeed a bufoon.

  • Cher

    Typical losing manager’s comments.

    Especially the timewasting from the first minute one which is absolutely priceless. Clearly Notts were timewasting from the start as they were playing for a 0 – 0 draw.

    Oh no, hang on a minute…..

    As for the theatrics and ambulance comments, not in great taste considering the desperate tackle by one of his players on young Judge, which gets worse each time you see it. Has he apologised for that and pointed out how lucky the lad was not to need an ambulance?

  • COYP

    Judge feigning injury? Are you having a laugh? McCann snapped straight through him and deservedly saw red. Sounds like a bitter fan to me.

  • John Verrall (author)

    Where did I say Judge feigned injury after the McCann tackle? Please tell me. I’ve already stated McCann’s tackle was awful and deserved a red card.

  • Cher

    Notts fans arent saying you said that John. But Johnson does indeed refer to ‘theatrics’ by Notts – we all know that generally means feigning injury.

  • Chris

    I never write or comment on these forums but i’ve been moved to by the most one sided and biased match report I have ever read. I’m at work and have plenty to do but I have several questions before I go on a conference call about “continual business improvement.” Have you ever played football? Have you ever watched football? Did you realise that Peterborough are not the best team in the world? Have you ever seen Peterborough lose? Were you at the game?

    Playing for a draw? We scored 4 in the first half. One being wrongly disallowed for offside.
    Feigning injury? McCann’s disgraceful tackle and the general approach to stopping Judge and Davies permeated the game and led to multiple injuries.
    Time wasting? Sort out the multi ball system for the away team. Stop conceding goals.

    Gary johnson and POSH fans face facts. You lost because we were the better team, your centre backs can’t clear the ball, we played the better football and your tatics of humping it into the box from wide areas will only get you so far.

  • Bridg4d_Pie_

    John Verall,

    Owde saying up here in Snottingham just for you Oh Guilty One.

    “If The Cap Fits Wear it Son”.

    Sadly in your case I fear it won’t fit Me Owde Duck.

  • Jurgenpie

    3 goals away from home and its negative tactics! what a ridiculous statement, outplayed and out fought you lost – get over it!!

  • The_notts1

    Deluded and covering up for a home game whipping by deflecting the attention onto our negative 3 goal away performance! Hilarious

  • Plum

    Negative? Hardly!62% possession, 3 goals, 8 corners all more than Posh.
    Dirty? One more booking and same amount of reds………. No worse than them really and we didn’t do any career ending tackles….
    Play the right way? Anyone else remember 30 mins worth of 60 yards punts from their keeper?
    Wasting time…..sort out your multiball strategy!
    Influencing the ref? No more than they did.
    Poor ref for both teams.

  • GaryP

    I’ve never known a team be less gracious in defeat.
    It really doesn’t say much for your team when we came for a 0-0 draw and managed to score 3 goals (4 really.)
    In every department we out played you. We got the ball down and played through you.
    Your tactics were hoofball from keeper to Mackail-dive-smith.
    I will concede though that we did time waste. On numerous ocassions I saw one of our players hit the ball out of play…..into your net!

    Ta da!

  • fozzy

    Interesting how the county fans all come crawling out of the houses again.

    typical scabs

  • Plum

    Interesting to see a manager talking shat cos he lost again.

  • WellyPie

    “Interesting how the county fans all come crawling out of the houses again.”

    No, just one website in particular really.

  • andy6025

    Can you clarify what the tactics were that you found disgraceful? You never exactly stated, but instead deffered to Gary Johnson’s generalized comments. Are you directly suggesting that his comments all apply to the Notts match? If not all, then which ones?

    In the comments section you ruled out that Notts didn’t feign injury (in the case of the tackle on Alan Judge). So what did Notts do tactically that you found “underhanded”?

    Is “time wasting” all that you’re complaining about? Because if that’s it, then you are doing a lot of whinging over nothing. Or is it something else? Please clarify exactly what you’re on about.

  • Plum

    cos we closed them down, stopped them playing. You clearly can’t do that. Also, allowing Davies, Judge and Westcarr to interchange positions and confuse their defence. That’s obviously a no no too.

  • rmotters

    The Gary Johnson quote “I can also promise that we will never resort to any sort of theatrics, especially feigning injury. I’ve told my players that when they are down injured I want to see the ambulance, the fire brigade and the police called because I want to know that it’s genuine.” strikes a particular accord with me.

    After Mclean nutted (The Sun’s term, not mine) Ravenhill he went down on the ground. I didn’t see the ambulance, the fire brigade and the police arrive. As soon as Ravenhill went down (about a minute or so later), he got straight up. Amazing recovery that.

    So Gary you obviously was not looking at that point in time. Where you in the dressing room, by any chance?

    We would have probably settle for a point away from home, but we got all 3 because we were the better side on the day.

  • oneteaminnottingham

    I haven’t come across such a set of bad losers since Bradford City last season.

    Your lot were outplayed, outbattled, outwitted, outfought and outscored and you lost 3-2 to the better side on the night. Now get over it, move on to the next game and stop behaving like a bunch of pathetic whingeing wendies!

  • Rugby Magpie

    It seem as though all our valid points are being conveniently overlooked, so my lats word on thsi matter is:

    *Places thumb on end of nose, and whilst wiggling fingers *

    “Sore losers, nurgh, nurgh, nurgh, nurgh, nurgh, nurghhhhhhhhhhhh”

  • fozzy

    still above you in the table;-)

  • John Verrall (author)

    Andy, go onto the match report. I’ve explained my thoughts enough times.

  • Plum

    Clutching fozzy, clutching!!! Your team of superstars should be top by 10 points by now!

  • Tuxpie

    We scored more goals than Peterborough. I’m no football expert, but the last time I looked scoring more goals than the opposition is the main aim of the game….or did I dream that?

  • olly notts

    posh supporters:your silence is deafening!

  • dutch

    Brilliant! Not only does the author of this blog sound like he’s brown nosing Gary Johnson, he can’t count. 3 goals scored by Notts plus 2 goals scored by you equals 5, plus the 1 incorrectly disallowed equals 6!

    Gary Johnson is the new Keith Hill this season. What a complete tool he is to talk about feigning injuries etc despite McCann almost cutting Judge in half.

    Step aside Keith Hill, your reign as the top sore loser is over!

  • thedor

    Yes Mr Johnson, wholeheartedly agree. You would never allow a team of yours or defend a team of yours for an unsporting gesture, like claiming a goal wasn’t a goal when it clearly went in would you?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1206884/Referees-chief-Keith-Hackett-says-sorry-Crystal-Palace-boss-Neil-Warnock-Freddie-Sears-disallowed-goal.html

    Hypocrisy of the highest order from Mr Johnson.

    Your teams NEVER cheat.

  • John Verrall (author)

    I made a mistake, yes. Sorry, I bet you have made one before. The fact still stand though 3+2=5. You can’t count disallowed goals, the league table doesn’t!

    You did feign injuries, I can’t believe how deluded some of you people are. You still play someone who has killed another person after reckless behaviour and who still winds up fans (take WBA).

    (The reason I deleted one of your persons comments was simply because of the statement made at the end)

  • rushden-till-i-die

    There really is no need to give John so much stick, people!

    Being an experienced writer on this site, I can tell you now that John is one of the best young talents that writes here…and after all, this is written for the Peterborough blog, by a Peterborough fan. If County were the losing side and they had a writer on here, they would be saying exactly the same. Also, this is John’s opinion, of which everyone is entitled too, although not everyone will agree with it. If you’re going to slate someone’s work simply because you don’t agree, then why don’t one of you County fans who act as if you know everything there is to know start up a blog? I can guarantee that you will receive criticism from someone of the opposite team, thats a fact.

    And just to clarify, 3+2=5. So, like John said, you’re the clown….

  • Plum

    Why write a blog that is so far from the facts?

  • Plum

    JV originally said 1-3 rushden, but he is able to delete his error, the original statement was that we had a perfectly good goal disallowed, which meant 6 goals were actually scored.

  • John Verrall (author)

    How is it far from the facts? I’ve stated my opinion on here, it’s based on opinion as much of football is!

  • rushden-till-i-die

    Since when have all blogs had to be facts?! John’s opinion is that County cheated, your opinion is that County didn’t cheat. Neither is a fact.

  • Plum

    See the above statements! Some of the accusations being levelled at our tactice about boring, negative or what ever you said (or GJ). We had more attacking play than Posh.
    Those are the facts.

  • Plum

    Thank you for deleting that, your facts were very wrong and that could have been dodgy ground.

  • John Verrall (author)

    Yes, that’s exactly why I deleted it. I still don’t think he should be playing football but that’s another debate.

  • Plum

    Won’t go there!! Time done, should be allowed to get on with his life like anyone else released from doing porridge. Not starting that though.

    Thanks again.

  • rushden-till-i-die

    ‘Plum’, please could you start a Notts County blog? I’d love to read some of your reportage so I can see if you actually have the right to criticise someone else’s writing…

  • Plum

    just cos I don’t write my own doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion?
    That’s barmy!
    I would certainly have no issue with saying we were beaten by a better side if we were, not ignoring the black and white stats.
    I assume he was at the game to write his blogs? If he was watching he would have seen Posh struggle to break us down, and us rip them apart on a number of times with good forward play.
    They are preaching playing the game properly, but they were the team who hoofed the ball for 45 mins. Pure football that. We had 62% possession, 3 goals 8 corners and being lambasted for wasting time and not playing the game properly?
    Something doesn’t add up.
    Its certainly a VERY different view to the game I saw on Tuesday.
    Certainly not one for the traditionalists, but a full blooded contest with some good football, one team not allowing the other to play their normal game and shocking ref.
    I didn’t realise stopping the other team from playing was classed as negative? Surely that’s good tactics?
    We got into them and stopped there passing game, meaning they had to hit it long.
    They couldn’t cope with Westcarr Davies and Judge’s movement up front and this stood out in our goals, and general play. Most of their good chances were from set pieces, surely that’s Stoke like boring?
    I get the impression Posh thought all they had to do was turn up to win 3-0, but we sussed them out, stop them playing and turned them over and they didn’t like it.

  • fozzy

    ‘Clutching fozzy, clutching!!! Your team of superstars should be top by 10 points by now!’

    yeah, you do realise that is near enough mathematically impossible right?

  • Plum

    clutching again foz! It was a figure of speech. If being so literal makes me look stupid, I accept it.

  • John Verrall (author)

    Of course I was at the match! There was certainly no good football on display though.

    The ball was in play for 45-50 minutes, according to Gary Johnson and a database he uses. It is normally in play for 80 minutes. That says something.

  • rushden-till-i-die

    When did I say you can’t have an opinion?! :S
    From what I understand, either John or the other Posh writer George attends every game. Nobody has disagreed with the stats, but at the end of the day it’s all about opinions. You believe that Posh hoofed for 45 minutes; John may disagree. You feel that you ‘ripped them apart’; John may disagree (especially as the first and third goals were errors). You feel that their chances were all from set-pieces; John may disagree….do you get the jest? Neither of you are wrong according to yourselves, but neither of you are right either. All I am saying is that it is unfair to personally slate John for what are, at the end of the day, his opinions – of course you won’t agree!! If you don’t like it, don’t comment, simple as that…or write your own opinions.

  • Plum

    We wasted half an hour of the game? Highly unlikely. It was probably due to the ref having swallowed his whistle!

  • Plum

    Not meant to debate then? Isnt that what his is for? Or maybe we should only comment if we agree.

  • rushden-till-i-die

    Or maybe you shouldn’t present your opinion as facts, considering thats what you are slating John for…

  • thedor

    “manager will state that we won’t stoop so low, as a club, to try to cheat our way to victory”

    But that’s not what he said chap. He just said you won’t do theatrics, time waste and feign injury.

    If he were to say the above I’m afraid all this would show is that nothing he says can be believed. Bristol City under his charge CHEATED to win a game against Crystal Palace in one of the worst cases of bad sportsmanship even seen on a football pitch. This is entirely in congruent with your understanding of his statement.

    There are many ways to cheat in games of football, and I would applaud Mr Johnson if I believed he meant a word he said. Pity his ethics only extend as far as words.

    If you get through this season and fail to see a single Peterborough player do none of the above then I would suggest you should go to spec savers.

    No one wants to see cheating in football. But to believe that ANY Manager or player wouldn’t stoop that low is I’m afraid naivety. A shame indeed, but a fact of the game for an awful long time at all levels.

  • Plum

    I was saying he was ignoring the facts in his writing! Facts are the facts, you can’t change them! Ignoring them so you can drive a story in the direction you want is hardly sports writing!
    You might as well make up the final result to suit yourself as well.

  • Plum

    Again, don’t let historical facts get in the way of a good story though hey!!

  • rushden-till-i-die

    It seems to work for all of the tabloid papers…how many professional journalists that write opinion-based articles that include every fact do you know then? As I’ve already stated, this is an opinionated blog. John has put down his opinions, which are neither right nor wrong – which coincidently, so have you.

  • WellyPie

    “The ball was in play for 45-50 minutes, according to Gary Johnson and a database he uses. It is normally in play for 80 minutes. That says something.”

    That’s not ACTUALLY what he said though is it? Unless i’m mistaken, he actually said he BETS the ball wasn’t in play as much as it usually is. Prove me wrong.

    “There really is no need to give John so much stick, people!”

    To be fair, it’s not John, it’s most Posh fans it’s aimed at. We’ve been fortunate enough to see actual Peterborough fans on your local paper’s website that manage to see through your manager’s piss poor excuses, it’s a shame you guys aren’t amongst the crowd.

    “who still winds up fans (take WBA).”

    Feel free also, to show us where he’s wound up WBA fans? Not very good with these “facts” yourselves are you?

    “why don’t one of you County fans who act as if you know everything there is to know start up a blog?”

    We did.

    To end…great work in completely ignoring the comment made by thedor at comment 38. To refresh, it was the one that shoots holes in your perception of Gary Johnson as someone who should be in a position to preach about decency on the football field.

  • John Verrall (author)

    I don’t see how I have ignored any facts. I saw the way you played an expressed an opinion. There isn’t a fact that Messi is a great player, but it is most people’s opinion.

    Football’s all about opinions yet you seem to expect me to be so supportive of your team and their playing style. If I don’t like it I will say. I give credit to teams as well when it’s due.

  • Plum

    You said our style of play was negative? We had more attacking stats than you. How negative were you then?

  • rushden-till-i-die

    Wellypie, where is your blog with your opinion then?

  • John Verrall (author)

    “who still winds up fans (take WBA).”

    Feel free also, to show us where he’s wound up WBA fans? Not very good with these “facts” yourselves are you?

    You know what I meant. The WBA shirt. You know exactly what he did.

    I don’t agree with what Johnson did there but his ethos has changed at Peterborough by the sounds of things. To be fair there is a difference anyway in intionally going out to cheat (feign injury, time-waste etc) than capitalising on a refereeing error.

  • WellyPie

    “I don’t agree with what Johnson did there but his ethos has changed at Peterborough by the sounds of things.”

    More hypocricy, really?!

    Lee Hughes hasn’t killed anyone in recent months? His ethos has changed surely at Notts County, “by the sound of things”?

  • John Verrall (author)

    If you can’t see that you were negative in your style of play you are deluded. You had more possesion seeing as you were allowed too much time from our midfield and you were happy to pass it around in your own half.

    Two of your goals came from individual errors and two were very good finishes. You weren’t attacking in your style though.

    I bet if you asked your manager he would have told you he was playing for a draw, there is no way you went out to win that game.

  • John Verrall (author)

    Lee Hughes hasn’t killed anyone in recent months? His ethos has changed surely at Notts County, “by the sound of things”?

    This is hilarious. There is a little bit of a difference between Hughes’ past and Johnson’s past!

  • rushden-till-i-die

    You cannot compare someone killing someone to someone ‘cheating’. Ask any football fan who is hated more: Hughes or Johnson? I bet you everything I own that the majority say Hughes.

  • The_notts1

    More beer and re-read this in da morning!

  • Plum

    Are you that arrogant the think we only ever came for a draw? There is no way our manager came to win that game? Shush! What an arrogant statement. That’s exactly the kind of thing that annoys fans. Rochdale did it all last season, and look what happened to them.
    We came to win and did. If you must know we had played 4-5-1 in our last two away games, so yes, we did come with a more attacking mentality.
    You need to realiase you went down last year cos you deserved to. Teams are not going to roll over and let you scratch their belly his season. They WILL come to beat you.

  • WellyPie

    “Two of your goals came from individual errors and two were very good finishes. You weren’t attacking in your style though.”

    Wait i’m confused…are we counting the disallowed goals now? Would be of great benefit to everyone if you could stop moving the goalposts lads.

    “This is hilarious. There is a little bit of a difference between Hughes’ past and Johnson’s past!”

    Hey, i’m only talking about a changing of ethos, not making a comparison.

  • John Verrall (author)

    Huh, I think we all realise that we were poor last season.

    You played a 4-5-1/4-4-2 in this game as well, Kevin Smith was a fifth midfielder when you defended. Going forward he moved on more as a second striker.

    Some teams come to beat us, yes. But you wanted a draw out of the game. It is common in football for mid-table sides to want to get a point against top of the table sides away, any more is a bonus, and they do this by playing in a more defensive way.

  • John Verrall (author)

    “Wait i’m confused…are we counting the disallowed goals now? Would be of great benefit to everyone if you could stop moving the goalposts lads.”

    Erm, no. The third was as a result of an individual error from McCann and a good finish from Westcarr. The second was a good finish. The first was an idividual error.

    “Hey, i’m only talking about a changing of ethos, not making a comparison.”

    You stated I was a hyprocrite and you are now back-tracking. I would hope Hughes has changed his ethos.

  • Plum

    So attackers are not allowed to defend? Smith is a striker who often drops deep, thats his game.
    And just a touch more arrogance “Some teams come to beat us, yes. But you wanted a draw out of the game. It is common in football for mid-table sides to want to get a point against top of the table sides away, any more is a bonus, and they do this by playing in a more defensive way.” Long way down from the top though.

  • John Verrall (author)

    Yes, 5th is a long way from the top isn’t it?

    We are expected to be near the top of the table by pretty much everyone. We should achieve the play-offs as a minimum.

    All this about us being arrogant is stupid. If we believe we can make the automatics then why can’t we say so. Do we have to say we will come mid-table just to please oppositions fans?

  • thedor

    “I don’t agree with what Johnson did there but his ethos has changed at Peterborough by the sounds of things. To be fair there is a difference anyway in intionally going out to cheat (feign injury, time-waste etc) than capitalising on a refereeing error.”

    So there are different levels of cheating? And it depends on whether the referee sees or acts upon it…..in that case.

    Please rate these levels of ‘cheating’ in order of severity.

    A) Deliberately challenging a player with the intention of causing injury.
    B) Deliberately playing on when a clear goal has been scored.
    C) Deliberately time wasting.

    Please consider which if it occurred against your team you would be most distressed by.

    You can assume if it helps that no one was punished by the referee for the two ‘punishable’ offences A and C.

  • WellyPie

    “You stated I was a hyprocrite and you are now back-tracking.”

    I’m not backtracking. You ARE a hypocrite. One man changing is ethos is perfectly fine in one man’s case, but not the other’s.

    Please you guys, continue to take the bait. Makes for a great read.

  • Plum

    No, but handling the tag of favourites with a little dignity is not a bad thing. Expecting teams to only come to your pace to get a draw cos they are clearly not realistically going to win against you is incredibly arrogant.

  • John Verrall (author)

    They are all against the rules and all wrong.

    With A, you presume you alluding to McCann’s tackle, I’ve had enough of saying it was wrong. It was awful and he shouldn’t have done it. However, you are more annoyed at the player for this.

    With B you are annoyed with the referee, it’s his error.

    C if applied as a team tactic and can only be pointed at the manager.

  • John Verrall (author)

    Plum, your name is really fitting I must say, why can’t you understand that from your tactics you were playing for a draw? I want teams to attack against us and some have but you didn’t.

  • Plum

    Thank you! You must be struggling with your point, resorting to name calling!!!
    Next time we are defensive we will maybe only score 2 then?
    Christ, if we had attacked how many would we have won by?
    We had the ball in your net 4 times and we were defensive?

  • John Verrall (author)

    Last time I comment because it’s getting to the point where I am repeating myself.

    I believe it was you who called me a clown earlier anyway so your first comment is hypocritical.

    If you had attacked there would have been more space for us to attack into and play our football. As a result of your defensiveness we resorted to long ball, a tendency we must learn to lose.

    Make sense? If not tough luck.

  • Elite_Pie

    This thread is a hilarious read – it takes the ‘sore loser’ tag to another dimension! I realise a blog is likely to be a bit biased towards the writers team, but your original report really did visit the outer realms of fiction John. Most of the really nasty tackles (and headbutts?) came from Posh players, but this seems to be overlooked by both the writer and manager. Still, you can have the moral high ground and we’ll have the 3 points – that should make us all happy!

  • Plum

    It wasn’t me who called you a clown! Again, another incorrect statement, but that’s OK. I was laughing at you calling someone a clown for getting it wrong when you got it wrong yourself!!
    So our defensiveness stopped you from playing your football so you resorted to long balls…are we not allowed to defend then? We can’t attack when you have the ball. Our job is to get it back and stop you scoring. When we had the ball, a lot more than you, we did attack and scored more goals than you. Sorry if we defended when you had the ball, but I am sure that is a large part of the game?
    We are allowed to stop you playing in the style you want to play in. Do you understand that?

  • thedor

    Hmmmm.

    “there is a difference anyway in intionally going out to cheat (feign injury, time-waste etc) than capitalising on a refereeing error” Your Post 66

    “They are all against the rules and all wrong.” Your Post 81

    So did you order them A then B then C?

    I didn’t state which pertained to this match but it is an obvious comparison to make. The major difference in the three and their ‘level’ of cheating is by their treatment from the referee.

    For A, an immediate sending off, and a player not being stretchered off is essentially a crime and equivalent justice. But had the player remained on the pitch (and would of in the opinion of your manager had the referee not been ‘crowded’) and the player been seriously injured. The situation is entirely different.

    For B, had the referee seen the goal it is a non event entirely. No cheating required.

    For C, if the referee is strong and tells the players he is going to add on every minute they waste this is very easily resolved, and to an extent prevented.

    The order of severity in a match situation is therefore based entirely on the referee.

    In real life however, no one’s physical well being was marred by time wasting or a goal that wasn’t. (although Mr Warnock’s blood pressure may tell a tale)

    For Johnson to thus take the moral high ground (and for you to believe him) is not only foolish, but smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order.

    My opinion, but I do honestly hope you don’t believe he is in any way going to be able to achieve the utopia you seem to believe him capable of. Of all the ‘delusions’ alluded to here that would be the saddest, and I take no joy from saying so.

    If Gary Johnson was the manager of my Club after a poor performance and home defeat, I wouldn’t be saying “Well Done, Gary Johnson” I would be asking what happened? Nice work by Mr Johnson, a number of our politicians would be proud.

  • Cher

    Just wondering what Lee Hughes’ past has to do with any of this JV?

  • posh nige

    the career ending tackle by mcann was so bad that alan judge was rolling around on the floor dying untill the magical powers of a red card , saw him spring to his feet . and if it wasnt for craig short running onto the pitch i beleive a yellow card would have been shown

  • WellyPie

    So much talk of Craig Short running on the pitch to make things worse for Mcann, but have any of you even watched the video to see just how wrong you’ve got it? Here’s a link…

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_3/9046114.stm

    Make it worse? Are you blind? He CLEARLY is waving his players away, and when they get near to referee, he seperates them! How can you possibly see things any other way?

    And Nige. Also, watch the tackle. Do you GENUINELY believe it’s an offence worthy of a yellow?

  • boing_boing_hughesy

    an award to posh nige who now has the most bias view of the game if he claims mccann shouldn’t have been sent off!! short did go on the pitch but it was to stop the notts players from getting to mccann as well cos he was the 1st one there and he didnt say a word to mccann!!!

  • apsnotts

    great read. nice to know people can still have deluded veiw of a game.
    but i enjoyed read the bits which the deluded posh fans were trying to condone mccanns tackle and what there phycio deluded managers has said

    hope the posh like league two next season gd and gd bye

  • fozzy

    If McCanns tackle was so bad then why isn’t your lad strapped up in hospital, no chance of playing again or at least or on crutches and out for 4/5 months? eh? There you go, just defeated that point.

    You have employed a player (and started paying him a hansome 6 figure salary I might add, i reckon its not far off half a million) who served 2/3 years for getting pissed up and then having the nerve to drive, crash and kill somebody. The fact you moan about Johnsons supposed lack of ethics is hilarious!

    YOu are still below us in the table and your suggestion of us going down to league 2 is hilarious, without hughes and westcarr that where you’d be going. typical scabs…so deluded:-L

  • fozzyposh

    Well well well, we win 1-0, you lose at home to an out of form sheffield wednesday and you have a player sent off.

    right, you lot can shut up now;-)

  • WellyPie

    “If McCanns tackle was so bad then why isn’t your lad strapped up in hospital, no chance of playing again or at least or on crutches and out for 4/5 months? eh? There you go, just defeated that point.”

    Defeated the point? What does that even mean?! hahaha

    So you’re saying…unless someone is essentially maimed, nothing should be a red card?

    Also, i fail to see what today’s results really has to do with your continued whining?

  • thedor

    I would guess Peterborough kept attacking to the last, never took a second to waste a few moments or slow the game down in their win today. Should I ask the Carlisle fans?

    Yes we were beaten by Weds today. They time wasted (including their goalkeeper in the first few minutes) and feigned injury. But you won’t find a single fan or our manager whinging about it, because it happens in football. We didn’t take our chances, we didn’t play well enough over 90 minutes, we lost. It happens.

    Well done for winning today. Does this mean you might whine less? Or has Carlisle’s play offended your managers Corinthian Spirit in some way. Did they not let you win 5-0?

  • WellyPie

    I would tell you what it means, but i’d rather SHOW YOU what it means…

    http://twitter.com/poshblog/status/26191428837

  • BedrockFred

    Well 4 in 4 aint going to get you the fair play award, with that scum Hughes at your club it shows what type of club you are

    Nice to see Wednesday back on form..

  • WellyPie

    Being the fifth lowest on the fair play league won us the ACTUAL league last year.

    Aaah. Priorities.

  • crow4england

    mccanns tackle was late but it wasnt a sending off

  • WellyPie

    But Sir Gary Johnson even agreed it was worth a straight red?

  • fozzy

    welly pie, if it was such a bad tackle your lad wouldn’t have been able to play last saturday and then get himself sent off, simple as. If it was as bad as you lot were making out, theres no way your lad would have avoided a serious injury.

  • WellyPie

    So i imagine from now on, if someone takes one of your lads out but plays the next game, you’ll all say it wasn’t worthy of a red card?

    Funny. I wasn’t aware it was in the rule book that a tackle had to physically maim someone for it to be a red card offence.

    Must say though, loving that the wounds are still fresh for you lot 🙂

  • thedor

    Another red card for another bad tackle by a Peterborough player.

    Should the lad have seen red? After all Leon McSweeney played on afterwards…. and he may even walk again. 😉

  • WellyPie

    Was there at least blood this time? I’d have hoped so otherwise it’s another gross miscarriage of justice!

  • Scarborough_magpie

    This really is laughable.

    So unless a player recieves a serious injury, the player who put in tackle should not be sent off? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    What about Ravenhill? I’m sure that when he was clearing that ball he must have put one of your players out for a few games too.

    As for bringing up Lee Hughes, he didnt even play!

    Its ok though, just blindly follow the words of your ugly midget incharge, blatently disreguarding the facts.

    Worst set of ‘supporters’ I have ever seen.

  • loyal-pufc-fan

    HAHA take nothing from notts county they came here with a tactic waste time slow posh down keep the ball and they did it they outplayed us slowed are tempo wasted time and never let us play how we usually played and my team peterborough cry about it and why because we dont play like that maybe we should take note of slowing games down and playing passing more look at us yesterday 3-0 up to swindon after 20 mins to go in 3-3 at half time so we lost at home to notts county yes they wasted time yes they were VERY unsportsman like maybe they should of had red card to but wats the point in sulking over it face facts peterborough fans we do have defence issues !!!! and u take one or more of mac attack away where would we be ….. relegation spot so instead of sitting having arguments on here with other fans of other teams send a email to gary johnson tell him to send the loan players back and buy some defence!!!

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